Re: [Jack-Devel] JACK on mobile

On Mon, October 21, 2013 11:46 pm, Paul Davis wrote:
> If you're going to insult a bunch of people just because our vision of
> what
> is worth working (or what we have time for working on) doesn't line up
> with
> yours ... well ....
>

Right so telling others that you "don't know of anyone working on
combining PA and JACK together  for mobile platforms" is not a backhanded
insult?

Pot meet kettle.

Simply put, apparently, no one on this list wants to see JACK running on
mobile platforms other than iOS or Android. I get it.  It's good to know
because now I can focus on finding people who do care about that goal and
stop bothering the list with my obviously unnecessary posts.

It's all good!

I'll be sure to *not* update you all on my progress.

Classic!


>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Patrick Shirkey
> <[hidden]
>> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, October 21, 2013 10:57 pm, [hidden] wrote:
>> >> On 10/20/2013 03:02 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Tim E. Real <[hidden]
>> >>> <mailto:[hidden]>> wrote:
>> >>>     LOL The phone accidentally rings during a live gig through an
>> amp
>> >>> stack.
>> >>>     "Uh, hello? Yes dear, I'll bring home some milk and bread!"
>> >>> they still pay musicians enough for that?
>> >>
>> >> obviously, the spouse calls to remind the artist to pilfer those
>> items
>> >> from catering. it's just a euphemism for "stale coke and mars bars".
>> >
>> > JACK on mobile - mobile must not necessarily be a phone. It could be
>> any
>> > small & mobile (embedded?) device. The thing with the phone is just
>> that
>> > many have it at hand.
>> > One of the use-cases where JACK could make sense on mobile devices is
>> to
>> > have a way to monitor audio anywhere in the graph remotely with low
>> > latency. That would include a nicely working netjack or similar setup.
>> > JACK just on the phone without any outside connections is not so
>> > interesting IMHO.
>> > The mobile is also a handy controller for anything on the 'big'
>> machines,
>> > but for that, no JACK is used.
>> >
>>
>> Ok, so the consensus appears to be that JACK developers have no interest
>> in seeing JACK actually run on mobile OS's (phone/tablet/etc...) and
>> that
>> it is considered a waste of time to put any effort into making it
>> possible?
>>
>> Is that correct?
>>
>> Should I go back to the people who have opened the door to JACK as a
>> default component of the Mobile Audio Stack (excluding Android and iOS)
>> and tell them that?
>>
>> Should I tell the people at the Linux Foundation that even if they are
>> interested in supporting the development process that none of the JACK
>> Developers are interested in taking part?
>>
>> Are we therefore expecting users who want to run JACK apps or developers
>> who want to develop JACK apps to only run desktop systems or Linux
>> embedded systems on devices like the Raspberry PI and that developers
>> should simply ignore the absolutely massive global mobile market place?
>>
>> In other words if someone wants to run JACK on a mobile device they are
>> on
>> there own and will not garner any interest from JACK Developers?
>>
>> The over all consensus is that JACK is not useful or even needed on
>> mobile
>> devices. For example if I were to get it running on my Quad core ARM
>> tablet with 2GB of onboard RAM, built in SD and onboard sound device it
>> would be a futile and pointless waste of time because those kind of
>> resources have no value in a JACK'd system? Or that running JACK on a
>> brand new Intel Haswell  (16nm die) tablet made by Samsung running Tizen
>> (sponsored by the Linux Foundation) is going to be a waste of time
>> because, because, because... um , well because someones girlfriend might
>> call them while they are performing and obviously we wouldn't think of
>> making it possible for this performer to disable calls while they are
>> using their high powered Ubuntu Phone as a realtime FX box or god forbid
>> they have a tablet that doesn't even have GSM capabilities in the first
>> place and can't be used as a cellphone?
>>
>> Is that the correct assessment of interest from JACK developers in
>> getting
>> JACK to run on Mobile platforms that already support PA by default?
>>
>> I smell a big whiff os BS in the air. Either that or JACK developers are
>> complete idiots and have no idea what they are doing. I was under the
>> impression that it was not the latter but maybe I am actually wrong
>> about
>> that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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